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Oh, Republicans. 9 Wisconsin legislators are unclear on the supremacy clause, and call for the arrest of federal officials implementing Obamacare. The Georgia caucus attends a seminar on a delusional conspiracy theory. And Romney says he lost because Obama focused on the little issues like health care and education.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/nine-lawmakers-back-charging-federal-officials-who-implement-obamacare-here-n47kl10-179180251.html
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/georgia-senate-gets-52-minute-briefing-united-nations-takeover
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-election-campaign-donors-20121114,0,5622330.story

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fpb
Nov. 15th, 2012 10:31 pm (UTC)
Of course Democrats never do or say crazy things.
mindstalk
Nov. 16th, 2012 06:27 am (UTC)
This crazy, in such numbers, of elected officials? No they don't. The left has moonbats but they don't get elected, heck they're often too pure for the Democrats.
fpb
Nov. 16th, 2012 07:45 am (UTC)
That's a hostage to fortune if I ever heard one. http://fpb.livejournal.com/641357.html . And most human beings down the centuries would tell you that a party that yields to crazed fads to the extent of making gay marriage a party platform has no business insulting the sanity of anybody. As far as I am concerned, both parties stink, and to emphasize the folly and corruption of one only tends to cover up the folly and corruption of the other.
mindstalk
Nov. 16th, 2012 06:40 pm (UTC)
Human rights are a crazed fad by historical standards, yes. Most of today's conservatives have positions to the left of wild-eyed Levelers and Jacobins of yesterday.

But you have to appeal to a value you disagree with as an example of 'crazy', whereas my examples were matters of fact. The Agenda 21 stuff is absurd. States do not have the ability to arrest federal officials doing their jobs. The pre-election polls were right, and Romney drank his own Kool-aid. Supply-side economics doesn't work. Universal health care does. Creationism and global warming denial are wrong.
fpb
Nov. 16th, 2012 07:02 pm (UTC)
Human rights are a crazed fad by historical standards, yes. Most of today's conservatives have positions to the left of wild-eyed Levelers and Jacobins of yesterday.

Unhistorical historicistic nonsense. The anabaptists of Munster were pretty much preaching the same social doctrine as Engels and Marx (Engels was the one who was stronger on the abolition of the family), and the abolition of slavery was ventilated in ancient Athens and actually carried out in Dark Age Europe. At the heart of everything that is wrong with modern thought (including a lot of people who consider themselves conservative) is the notion that history develops in one direction. It doesn't, and those who think so haven't bothered to work out why the tribal nonsense of monarchy "by divine right" was unknown in Europe before 1450 and dominant in 1750.

In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not a fan of Romney and I regard the more tribal features of so-called conservatism with derision. What annoys me is the delusion that you (I mean you in the plural, your trend, your party) are rational, when your very doctrine - that historicism that charges every development, however nonsensical, with historical significance, merely because it is up to date - opens you to raving irrationality.

Edited at 2012-11-16 07:03 pm (UTC)
mindstalk
Nov. 17th, 2012 12:58 am (UTC)
So what about the Anabaptists and slavery?

Look, you were the one who called gay marriage a crazed fad. You have nothing to back that up with. If the charge is that it's historically unprecedented, then so are things like female suffrage and freedom of speech and of religion. Most conservatives of today *do* hold positions to the left of the Levelers. (Not the Diggers.) If you then try to respond saying such ideas have historical precedents, that's irrelevant: a few advocates is not a whole society. And besides gay marriage in fact has historical precedents in the world.

when your very doctrine - that historicism that charges every development, however nonsensical, with historical significance, merely because it is up to date - opens you to raving irrationality.

Once again, I do not recognize your description of me. You're tilting at a straw windmill of your own projection.
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