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Surpreme Court week

Interesting set of decisions. Some pretty bad:

Attack on the right to remain silent: you need to say a particular invocation, rather than just keeping your mouth shut.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/15787-supreme-court-bombshell-no-right-to-remain-silent

Attack on voting rights:
http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews/2013/06/to-understand-how-the-supreme-court-changed-voting-rights-today-just-look-at-this-map/
http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/06/supreme_court_purges_civil_rights_best_weapon_from_voting_rights_act.html
Texas took a whole two hours to seize the opportunity
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/25/2212281/two-hours-after-the-supreme-court-gutted-the-voting-rights-act-texas-ag-suppresses-minority-voters/
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/25/states_jump_at_pushing_voter_id_laws_after_scotus_ruling/

but OTOH the gay marriage decisions. Which produced some cute art



and some amusingly deranged frothing. I've seen calls for revolution, gloomy predictions of being rounded up into re-education camps, the end of procreation in America, everyone being sterilized and forced to reproduce via test tube, and wars on the Church. Just like have happened in the Netherlands since 2001, and Belgium since 2003, and Spain since 2005... or not.

Not to mention Scalia ranting about the hubris of striking down part of DOMA, a day after we learned he voted to strike down VRA. Inconsistency, your name is Scalia.

Good news for gays, though taken together I think the decisions may be a net loss for the USA. I also wonder whether it's better to have the Prop 8 decision, or to have California renounce Prop 8 in another referendum -- polls have 61% support for gay marriage now.

One amusing bit of history:
"The rulings came 10 years to the day after the court's Lawrence v. Texas decision that struck down state bans on gay sex. In his dissent at the time, Scalia predicted the ruling would lead to same-sex marriage."

I note "10 years to the day" is a bit odd when we remember leap years.

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resonant
Jun. 28th, 2013 12:15 am (UTC)
... and nearly 10 years after it was legalized in Canada.
fpb
Jun. 28th, 2013 05:29 am (UTC)
I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
You are defriended for being an idiot. Disagreement, I can live with. Utter incapacity to understand, I'd rather not.
mindstalk
Jun. 28th, 2013 04:30 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
Hoping for? Hardly, but I figured it was inevitable, given that we agree on nothing but universal health care and Tolkien, and your response to fact-based criticism is to call me an idiot rather than rationally defending your claims.
fpb
Jun. 28th, 2013 05:19 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
No, sir, your calling anyone who disagreed with the monstrous SCOTUS decisions a nutbar and a loonie is not fact-based criticism. It is a blank and purblind statement of party adhesion and of utter contempt for opponents. You evidently have no desire to know what we think. And I can assure you that you won't. Go back to your dogmatic slumbers.
mindstalk
Jun. 28th, 2013 05:31 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
"your calling anyone who disagreed with the monstrous SCOTUS decisions a nutbar and a loonie"

But I did no such thing. (Am I wrong? Show me where!) I applied 'deranged frothing' to people who think this means show trials within a year, imminent re-education camps and the end of procreation, without being able to provide a scrap of evidence for your beliefs. People can disagree about gay marriage without having such groundless paranoid fears.

The world has had gay marriage for over a decade. Plenty of time to produce facts for your position... if there were any.

Heck, Massachusetts has had it for almost 9 years.
fpb
Jun. 28th, 2013 06:04 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
Point one: since I said all those things, your calling them crazed and absurd reflects on me.

Point two: there are plenty of reasons. That you are not willing to pay attention to what we said - even though you went through the motions of looking at the words - proves that anything I said to defend them would be wasted breath (or wasted typing). So go back to your interrupted slumbers. Everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds. There is no harm at all in introducing by brute force a total rewriting of the very notion of man upon the strongest country on Earth. And Massachusetts is a perfect and exact test study for the whole human race.
mindstalk
Jun. 28th, 2013 06:18 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
None of you said anything to justify belief in show trials and being rounded up in re-education camps. Not a word, except general paranoia about Obama. Not a scrap of evidence.

"There is no harm at all in introducing by brute force a total rewriting of the very notion of man upon the strongest country on Earth"

No harm in introducing gay marriage, nope. Not that it has, yet. The only state that acquired gay marriage in the decisions is California.

"And Massachusetts is a perfect and exact test study for the whole human race."

Well, if Americans were more prone to having show trials and attacking the Church than the Belgians, it'd be a place in which we might have seen such behavior. Or in Iowa. Or various other states. But MA was first, and is perhaps the most liberal, so...
fpb
Jun. 28th, 2013 06:26 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
Belgium has mass euthanasia. It does not need show trial to murder the old and the sick. Don't be stupid enough to suggest that the Low Countries are examples of anything except mass murder.
mindstalk
Jun. 28th, 2013 06:46 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
Is "mass euthanasia" different from euthanasia? Your phrase implies people sent into death camps, not the reality of terminally sick people requesting their doctors kill them.

Also, that's changing the subject. We were talking about show trials and re-education camps for priests, I believe. Forcing priests to perform gay marriages.

I'm listening, you're just not saying anything to defend your claims, instead repeating that I'm not listening to the things you're not saying.
fpb
Jun. 28th, 2013 07:30 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
If you are crazy enough to believe that "consent" to being murdered is anything but the symptom of pathological depression brought about by selfish relatives and homicidal doctors, I don't even want to discuss anything with you. Nobody sane wants to die. Period. I have known people with every nightmare disability you could or could not imagine - I am involved in the disabled movement, of which my brother is a national leader - and I can tell this with the most absolute certainty. Nobody wants to die unless they have been rejected by the people around them. On this I accept no discussion, and my only reaction to any suggestion that euthanasia is anything more than bald-faced, selfish, penny-pinching murder with a repulsive sentimental gloze over it, my only reaction is - get your filthy paws off my brother, or I'll duff you up.
mindstalk
Jun. 28th, 2013 10:07 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
"Nobody sane" wants to live in excruciating pain, either, or with deteriorating mental faculties.

"get your filthy paws off my brother"

Your brother wants to live? Then good for him, and no one wants to touch him.

If you want to wave relatives around, I watched both my parents die of cancer, in growing pain, with minds clouded by both painkillers and the cancer itself. If you think a desire to human misery is all about penny-pinching then your imagination is severely impoverished.
fpb
Jun. 28th, 2013 07:36 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
And how can you not see that euthanasia and "gay marriage" are two symptoms of the same disease - the arbitrary rewriting of the whole idea of man? This is what is going on. You no longer are a man or a woman, but person a or person b. You no longer are the son, daughter, father, mother of anybody, since anyone can purchase a child in the Elton John manner, and once purchased, call them his own. As for nothing changing, I don't suppose it matters to you that the international gay set has spawned a whole industry exploiting Indian (mostly) low-caste women as surrogate mothers paid with money. I don't suppose this strikes you as lower and more despicable than prostitution. And I don't suppose it occurs to you that it is only the first thing that will happen in the realm of Parent A, Parent B, and soon Parents C, D, E and F. No, nothing much will change. Everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds. Hooray for progress.
mindstalk
Jun. 28th, 2013 10:12 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
*checks* Nope, still a man! And a son and brother. Just as my married friends are still married.

I don't view prostitution as inherently despicable. Nor surrogacy. There might be some potential problems with 'exploiting the poor', but same as with any other of desperately cheap labor, in factory home or field.

"it is only the first thing that will happen in the realm of Parent A, Parent B, and soon Parents C, D, E and F"

I can't tell what you're going on about there. Polygamy? Kids having more than two people who love them?

"Hooray for progress."

Yep! More people have equal rights and can marry those they love and raise children with them.
fpb
Jun. 29th, 2013 01:12 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
Your response is what one would expect from a fourteen-year-old slacker who just failed his last year at school. The effort not to understand is deliberate, and while you think that you are mocking me by assuming this stupid manner, in fact you are only insulting yourself. Anyone who thinks that juvenile efforts at pseudo-naivety are suitable responses does not deserve to be treated as an adult, and I regret that I wasted so much effort on such a doomed goal.
mindstalk
Jun. 29th, 2013 03:53 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
It's not that I'm mocking you, it's that you aren't making any sense.
fpb
Jun. 28th, 2013 06:27 pm (UTC)
Re: I guess this is something you'd been hoping for
And we said plenty. You haven't been listening. You haven't even tried.
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